Wednesday, March 26, 2014

What an Unmitigated Disaster for Democracy.


I guess I am being politically naive to suggest the whole Dot Com, Internet Party shamozzle is a total perversion of any shred of democratic principle.

I freely accept the barely concealed conniptions around the ACT party in Epsom are seen by opponents from the political left as a manipulation of MMP for electoral advantage just as any suggestion of a similar deal to accommodate Craig's mob will be seen should it happen.
Isn't that being achieved within the legal parameters of the flawed system

Surely I am not being overly concerned with the current attempts by an obese Finnish born German to just purchase NZ Democracy for the one single reason to avoid extradition to face a court in the US, as being a much greater gross manipulation of the dogs breath electoral system, MMP and as a complete perversion of what little remains of our treasured Westminster system of government

Green Party Co leader Norman has all but stated he will thwart any extradition order if he is in a position to do so after September 20th 2014.
If that is indeed his position it appears to me to be outside what government, the courts and precedent dictate as the powers of the minister of Justice.
The Mana party of Harawira is locked in an ecstatic dance of desperation with Dot Com, seemingly to take the "Epsom strategy" to another level'
The obese German, convicted of crimes in other jurisdictions cannot gain a right to a seat in our Parliament for himself on the basis of his residential status yet we are witness to a saga of political manipulation by almost every grouping in our political landscape other than the National Party and it is not inconceivable that is only because no one has yet found a credible link to them.

A country gets the government it deserves, oft repeated I know but I sure as hell do not think for one single minute I deserve what the kraut is threatening to dump on me.

I come back to Edmund Burke's words 'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.'

From where I am sitting it seems good people are in  short supply and a tragedy is threatening to envelop NZ Inc and it's democratic traditions.

I have never, and never will support MMP, a position entirely predicated on the simple fact a majority of electors in an electorate seat have no legal way to reject a thoroughly bad bastard from gaining a  list seat in our highest court and parliament.
Auckland Super City faces a similar scenario over a now seriously discredited and unwanted Mayor but at least the Parliament in Wellington can act on the wishes and desires of citizens both resident and non resident should PDB  be designated an even greater pariah and replace him with a commissioner.
What The Kraut and his desperado minions are proposing is to trade our democracy for 30 pieces of silver and in my opinion that is a potential disaster. 

I accept John Key is the Antichrist to somewhere around 25% of the electorate for any of many reasons, but surely electoral success for those people and their fellow travelers who number a total  closer to 45%  is valued considerably higher than current behavior of all those displaying fealty to Kim Dot Com suggests, surely the price is already far too high.

14 comments:

Barnsley Bill said...

I absolutely guarantee that all these lefties currently cuddling up to Kim Dotcom are never going to wash the stench off after the revelations of the next few weeks.
This is going to end UGLY for all who have taken a knee to eat the fatty German sausage in Coatesville.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I think you are right.

He is political Ebola. Just ask John Banks.

The Veteran said...

GD .... good post. So, lets summarise just where we're at.

National .... No negotiations with crim.com. Let justice take it's course and happy to provide a police escort to the airport.

Labour .... talking with crim.com. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. Prepared to forgive and forget that the botched raid on his Mansion resulted from Labour's deeply flawed 2001 GCSB legislation.

Greens .... Deeply worried that the Internet Party might pull significant support from their voting demographic. Would prefer they did not stand. Offered an inducement that they in Government would be prepared to override any judicial decision ordering extradition. Softened stance when faced with electoral backlash.

Winston First .... talking with the Kraut but not talking about it. Wonder why. Potential for a major revolt from his rapidly diminishing 'blue rinse' brigade.

Mana Party .... have mana and would welcome manna from the Kraut. Never mind the policies, feel the dosh .... well, until the troops found out and now a fast pedal backwards.

Brendon Horan .... who?

The Veteran said...

and this 'stolen' from Kiwiblog .....

Cunliffe had an up hill battle ahead of him to persuade the public that a Labour Green NZ First Mana Maori coalition would be viable, especially when they all hate each other. Now he needs to promote a Labour Green NZ First Mana Maori Dotcom coalition, where the only policy that they all agree on is that Dotcom shouldn’t be extradited.

We’ll need a big love-hate matrix to track who hates who in the coalition from day to day. For a starter, I think this is the situation as at 26 March 2014: Greens hate NZ First. NZ First hate the Greens with a vengeance. Maori hate Mana. Mana hate Maori. Mana think Dotcom is a “fat white rich prick”, but want to work with him anyway. Jones hates the Greens. The Greens have complained about Jones. Curran hates Cunliffe but loves Dotcom. Cunliffe isn’t too happy with either Curran or Mallard. The ABCs hate Cunliffe. Labour still hate Maori for taking the seats they feel entitled to. Jones might love NZ First a bit more than he should, if rumours are to be believed. What a mess!

priceless

Watcher said...

I didn't vote for MMP but don't blame those who did for it's failure. Joe Voters perception was that there just might be some consensus decision making. So remove from FFP with its unmeasured money wasting ideological round-a-bouts.
Of course we all forgot it was run by politicians and ended up with a form of FFP with baubles to satisfy the minor party politicians but not the voters.
I continue to believe that this will be the election with the least turn out for a long time.

Noel said...

"Labour's deeply flawed 2001 GCSB legislation"

Not trying to defend Labour but correct me if I am wrong but didn't it go to select committee with all parties in agreement.

Reminds me of the terrorism legislation. Couldn't protect us from anything.

Barry said...

I, too, shall never support MMP.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... we're going slightly off topic but yes, you're right that the 2001 Bill went through the Parliamentary process .... and lets not go down the path in debating the incompetence of the GCSB in failing to ascertain that the Kraut had NZL residency.

That fact remains that certain Labour MPs beat a path to the Coatesville mansion on the basis that 'an enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

Some friend. You sleep with dogs and you get fleas.

Psycho Milt said...

Green Party Co leader Norman has all but stated he will thwart any extradition order if he is in a position to do so after September 20th 2014.
If that is indeed his position it appears to me to be outside what government, the courts and precedent dictate as the powers of the minister of Justice.


As various lawyers attempted repeatedly to get across to the thickos at Kiwiblog, the decision whether to surrender Dotcom to the Yanks is made by the Minister of Justice, not the courts, the Minister can refuse extradition for pretty much any reason they like, and attempting to foist the decision on to the courts would be a dereliction of duty. It is of course irrelevant in any case, since Russel Norman won't ever be Minister of Justice.

The Mana party of Harawira is locked in an ecstatic dance of desperation with Dot Com, seemingly to take the "Epsom strategy" to another level'

The term "dance of desperation" accurately describes the Nats' Epsom gambit alright, but hadn't you better wait for some form of negotiation between Mana and Dotcom's party to take place before pronouncing sentence on it?

I have never, and never will support MMP, a position entirely predicated on the simple fact a majority of electors in an electorate seat have no legal way to reject a thoroughly bad bastard from gaining a list seat in our highest court and parliament.

Can you outline the supposed moral basis on which voters in an electorate should have the right to veto the election of members who aren't standing for that electorate? Yes, unspeakable weasels arrive in Parliament via party lists under MMP. Under FPP, the unspeakable weasels arrived via safe seats. So?

National .... No negotiations with crim.com. Let justice take it's course and happy to provide a police escort to the airport.

National... The people with some explaining to do about how this supposedly blatant, malicious, corrupt and destructive criminal came to get permanent residency.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Mikt

On our last point, I agree.

The Veteran said...

Milt ... to respond. The decision to deport is one for the Courts to make with the Minister having a final say. Wussel was wrong to take the position he did. He had not heard the evidence so how could he possibly make the judgement call he did. The only conclusion one can fairly reach is that he sold his soul to the Kraut in an attempt to leverage some electoral advantage.

Your last point is a fair one and perhaps John Banks may be in a position to help .. wasn't he the Akl Mayor at that time?

Psycho Milt said...

The only conclusion one can fairly reach is that he sold his soul to the Kraut in an attempt to leverage some electoral advantage.

Really? I wouldn't hand Dotcom over to the Yanks and I've never even met him. It wasn't wise of Russell Norman to say so, given that he's the co-leader of a political party, but if the current Minister of Justice can cheerfully and blatantly lie in public about a conflict of interest, he's presumably figuring there's a seriously low threshold of integrity involved in the job.

Marc said...

What if we introduced a minimum 5% threshold in an electorate seat for List MP's to qualify for a seat? This would eliminate some of the tossers currently wasting taxpayer money, and who are there simply on the coat-tails of a populist leader. Did you know some of our current list MPs got less than 300 votes in their electorate? What a waste of space they are.

gravedodger said...

Marc that is a valid idea imo but a quick squiz, if applied as to votes cast at 5% needed in 2011 only weeds out Mathers and Genter from the greens. Hay, now out of favour would have qualified but plenty of dross to replace Mojo and couldn't make up mind what to call her Genter elsewhere.

Winston First though would have problems;
Winny felt such things beneath his dignity so no figure there, Horan romped in even at 10% of available voters and Barbara Stewart on your 5% of votes counted.

I know we are talking irrelevances here but at a minimum your concept fits with mine where a bunch of those best placed to judge get to decide on suitability grounds at electorate level.
A fixed % of votes available to qualify has a ring about it and at 5% at present would require around 3000 votes on nominal electorates at 60 000 voters base quota.
At my 10% only Norman in Rongatai has a show and for me the theory has merit. At present it is far too easy for mediocrity to succeed at the ballot box.
Ta for your comment.M