Friday, January 18, 2013

Gun Control???????

No.  What they need in the USA is 'nutter control' as it is administered in NZ when one attempts to purchase a firearm.

Instead America has it's most venal and mendacious president in history, competing with Hitler and Stalin to politicize children in his campaign to pursue his personal agenda of the day.

None of Obama's so call ed gun control measures, bar one, will have any positive effect.  The one that will work is the one which requires mandatory background checks on individuals attempting to obtain firearms.  It simply beggars belief that clinicly insane people can walk into a gun shop and buy a semi-automatic rifle or pistol, along with spare clips and unlimited ammunition.

Charls Krauthammer had something to say about this. 

Monsters shall always be with us, but in earlier days they did not roam free. As a psychiatrist in Massachusetts in the 1970s, I committed people — often right out of the emergency room — as a danger to themselves or to others. I never did so lightly, but I labored under none of the crushing bureaucratic and legal constraints that make involuntary commitment infinitely more difficult today.

Thirty years ago he, along with other qualified psychologists, could have assessed the modern day young mass executioner and had him forcibly incarcerated.  But today, the limp wristed do-gooders rule the roost and one must now allow these potential killers to roan free and shoot children becuase to do otherwise would infringe their liberties.

Before being granted a firearms license in   NZ, Adolf was visited by the police and interrogated.  His wife and neighbours were visited on separate occasions.  It was a very thorough process and in my view is the single most significant factor in the relative absence of psycho - shootings in NZ.


18 comments:

Heisenbug said...

There is already a Federal background check requirement in the USA. Adam Lanza tried to buy a gun the week prior to his atrocity but was refused because he wouldn't agree to the background check. He was also ineligible under Connecticut law due to his age (the background check would have shown that up), but it was the background check that stopped him from legally buying a gun.

Ray said...

And in NZ once you do have a License it is easier to buy a firearm than it is in most States of the USA

Anonymous said...

The issue is management of mental health patients, not control of guns. All these tragedies are caused by people that were identified by their families and colleagues as mentally unstable, but they were not treated.

JC said...

Yes, something like 85% of all gun buyers get background checked but not the gun shows or selling/gifting to friends and family.

But really, how far do you go.. there's no doubt in my mind that passing guns off to friends and family goes on all the time here in NZ and thus defeats the purpose of the checking system. Also, there will have been many thousands of older men and women who didn't register for a licence because ttheir guns were unused for years and they couldn't be arsed.. particularly as in their opinion their guns were properly registered under the old system(s).

As for checking mental health, well, you'll catch the people who have actually been admitted for such and I guess those who have come to the attention of the but miss the great majority that even the psychiatrists miss.. all you get is a snapshot of a person's mental health at the time of the gun purchase and nothing of his future health.

Another thing.. the majority of our mass murders have occurred in the last 23 years, and when you scale those up to the size of the US population you find we aren't that much different to the US frequency.

However, in general terms we aren't too bad because we are protected.. not by legislation but by a quite different culture to the US.. one that is more law abiding but pays the price in gun homicide, where 70% of the gun homicide victims are themselves criminals and where gun murders are overwhelmingly a Black and Hispanic issue and mostly occur in the Ghettos of the big Democrat cities.

JC

Anonymous said...

The problem with doing mental health checks is that the raving loons will be detected………..but they are not the ones doing the shooting. It is the sociopath who is the problem. They are very good at hiding their dysfunction and no police check will detect them, even the average psychologist will not be able to identify them.

Society has to do more in identifying the 'unusual' or 'different' kid and providing the help they need.

Edward the Confessor said...

Whatever you do don't limit access to assault weapons! Lock up people who you think might one day possibly go postal, but don't take the guns! Gonna have to start building some pretty large loony bins for all of the tea potty nutters, but it's in the constitution.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

People who glibly talk about 'assault weapons' invariably don't know what they are, don't know that you can't buy them anyway and don't know that the last so called ban on the sale of these weapons in the US failed to have any positive effect.

It's political theatre, nothing else.

Edward the Confessor said...

So they're not banned, buy you're not allowed to buy them? Confused much, Adolf?

Anonymous said...

Also in NZ it is a requirement that a firearm is locked securely away when not in the owner's physical possession/control.

Banning private sales of firearms where absolutely no paperwork is involved [the classic "bought from a some guy in a bar"; requiring solid security of firearms [no more "loaded shotguns under every bed in the house"] and running full background checks on each registered firearms owner would go a long way - without contravening the Second Amendment.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ed the Con

No not at all. Assault rifles have been banned from sale in the US since 1986.

"Select fire weapons have been banned outside the National Firearms Act registry since 1934, and that registry closed in 1986, with the Hughes Amendment. So there has been no new select fire weapons produced that an ordinary person can buy since 1986. They are already, in effect, banned."

All the fuss today is nothing actually do do with assault weapons which are light, fire an intermediate powered round and can operate with two or three round or in some cases,fully automatic bursts from one pull of the trigger.

The mendacious Obamites have chosen to call any high powered rifle which 'looks scary' an assault weapon, even tough it is only semi-automatic and only fires one round per trigger pull. Such was the standard issue US infantry rifle of World War 2. Nobody in their wildest dreams ever referred to it as an assault weapon.

They are doing so in an attempt to con the public into thinking there somehow is a need for tighter firearms control. All the evidence I've seen suggest such controls are ineffective.

Edward the Confessor said...

And in one of the biggest surprises ever in the history of blogging, Adolf is wrong! Again! How many times will you get bitch-slapped by reality, Adolf?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Criteria_of_an_assault_weapon

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ed the Con

You ahould not rely on Wiki. In fact this piece refers to the ban of 'so-called' assault weapons introduced by Clinton and "allowed to lapse' in 2004 - yes, that's nine years ago - because it was ineffective.

Now kindly keep a civil tongue in your head or join the other trolls on a desert island.

Edward the Confessor said...

So there was an assault weapons ban that Bush allowed to expire. You admit it yourself. What was your point again?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ed the Obtuse

No. There was a bullshit ban on 'so-called' assault weapons. The weapons you have when you can't get a real assault weapon. The ban was a futile exercise and the legislation, rightly, was allowed to expire.


Genuine assault weapons have been unavailable to the public for decades.

Of course, if you are a Mexican drug runner and you want a dozen or so Claytons assault weapons, you simply call up the your friends in the Obama Dept of Justice and they'll send you as many as you want.

But they are NOT assault weapons.

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Adolf Fiinkensein said...

And another troll just didn't get the message.

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